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Post by cdtluppo on Oct 24, 2019 19:13:39 GMT
Good Day Zach,
i think tou researched our friends the austrians (extensively) : do you have a good reference for battalion organization / structure for the 1809 campaign period ?
i'm looking after the # of compagnies per battalion and the # of men per compagnie ... i though it was 160/200 men per compagnie and 6 x cies per Bn...
so 6 cies x 160 = 960 men in the battalion
also if you have a reference (in english, i can't read german : ) ) for the way the units (Bn) and sub units (dies) were battle arrayed ... austrian methods for line, ligne doublée, various columns, square, skirmishers (methods for line infantry, light infantry) etc ...
thanks in adanvce for any help on those points. I have the 1807 regs, and Dave Hollins osprey books.
i found quite nothing online on the austrian army of 1809 specifically (nothing for which i can be 100% sure).
this might be of interest for others fellow members i suppose
: )
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Post by oldskirmishman on Oct 24, 2019 21:06:47 GMT
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Post by cdtluppo on Oct 25, 2019 19:39:31 GMT
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Post by 6mmfan on Oct 25, 2019 22:10:05 GMT
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Post by Zach on Oct 26, 2019 22:30:44 GMT
Those are all great places to start. I'm super-busy this weekend, but I'll try to get back to you with some of the information I dug up a few years ago. In short, the Austrians used very large lines. Prince Charles tried to modernize them by creating the "division mass", which is almost impossible to find information on. What it was, is that the battalion would break into three parts and group into small, densely packed squares of 300 or so men. They would maneuver, skirmish, and support each other as they moved independently across terrain. They could quickly go into line formation, or even form into multiple lines depending on the situation. Basically, it was like a regiment of three small battalions. I've been meaning to create this model for the 1:1 Deployed range, because it would really look like something else. Ditto for the battalion mass (which is fairly well known - that was the predecessor to the division mass). I will get around to it eventually!
The division mass was ahead of its time, and it was championed by Prince Charles. The formation was only used occasionally, and at least one source I found said that it was only really used when he was personally present to enforce its use. For some reason I don't believe it was used much in 1813/1814.
I'd also point out that I have Austrian companies in the LIbrary that you can use to create 1:1 figure ratio models of their units. They might even work for battalion mass, IIRC, but def not for the division mass.
I hope these random thoughts help. I actually had a diagram from around the time of the Napoleonic wars showing how Austrian line battalions skirmished... now if I could only find it...
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Post by druid8172 on Oct 27, 2019 0:33:33 GMT
Nafziger's Imperial Bayonets has a diagram of Austrian skirmishers on page 105
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