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Post by Zach on Jun 11, 2020 0:33:42 GMT
Hi everyone,
I could use some advise from you WW2 experts.
I'm trying to put together some 3mm Oddzial Osmy figures so I can take some pictures with my terrain. I'm starting to experiment with World War 2 terrain pieces, but only for use with 3mm figures- I'm not planning a 2mm range (at this time). That said, what are two good, representative armies that I could use for battles amongst the terrain in the Library (generally Western and Central European terrain). My goal here specifically is to create some nearly 1:1 scale table tops sort of like the ones highlighted on the front page of the website (and above); very tactical highly detailed terrain where tanks can hide behind ridges and weapon ranges are very close to true 2mm scale. At 2mm scale you've got several square kilometers on a normal sized table, which is enough for close in tactical battles with tanks and machine guns. If I could keep the budget under $50 USD, so much the better! I'd like to include some airplanes too, mostly because they'll look awesome in the pictures.
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Post by oldskirmishman on Jun 11, 2020 2:53:15 GMT
While far from an expert I could make some suggestions. What period of the war? The 1940 blitzkrieg in the west is my favorite period. The other would be the British 1944 Caen campaign. The US didn't really have "big" tank battles until the Lorraine/Bulge campaigns.
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Post by Zach on Jun 11, 2020 17:23:26 GMT
Well, I just need something that I can use my current range of buildings with, that won't look fake/wrong to someone who knows what they're looking at. And preferably something in Summer/Spring/Fall. Maybe something from operation Market Garden? The 1940 Blitzkrieg might work. I don't need a ton of tanks to be involved (for now...) just some kind of combined arms stuff. Like I said, enough things to fit at 2mm scale onto a 6 x 4 table.
I'm hoping to bring the WW2 guys in as customers because I think that there's a lot more demand there for 1:1 or near 1:1 scale games. I'm trying to show that you can use 3mm figures with 2mm terrain to achieve a workable, near-true ground scale for games. This is sort of experimental for now, but it feeds into some other ideas I have for growing FMS as a company.
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Post by deraltefritz on Jun 12, 2020 6:28:14 GMT
In that case the best way to go would be Normandy 1944 and Battle of the Bulge as that is usually the most popular, followed by the Soviet-German War and the Desert War, as early battles are not so popular. However the problem you face is that there are already popular metal figures available with quite good level of detail in micro-armour scales. As regards 1:1 games I would have thought that Ancients was the way to go because they are hugely popular, the armies are small so easy to recreate on a table at 1:1 and it would be a direct contrast to DBA with its small armies and fast games. Magister Militum produce a complete 1:1 scale Legion of 5315 infantry figures and 133 mounted figures for £135 but I am sure that 3D printing would come out cheaper than this. www.magistermilitum.com/srl1c-complete-1-1-marian-or-caesarian-legion.html |
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Post by suntzu on Jun 12, 2020 14:54:58 GMT
hi zach , one thought i had would be to use or try to use some sort of board game like for instance squad leader or advanced squad leader not necessary the rules but to make the terrain look like the boards , perhaps design full hexes tht could be printed out and painted and flocked. obviously the hexes would need to be geomorphic but this would allow owners of 3/2mm tanks to play on highly detailed terrain and to try and represent 1:1 with true lines of sight. since SL/ASL is 25 meters across the faces that would give a ballpark idea for the hexes you would need to create
by the way this works out at 41.6mm across the flats for 3mm or 1/600 tanks or 27.7mm across the flats for 2mm tanks
Rob
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Post by oldskirmishman on Jun 12, 2020 22:35:32 GMT
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Post by Zach on Jun 13, 2020 6:02:00 GMT
Yeah, the Depot de la Guerre stuff is classic - have you ever seen it in person? I've never actually seen the stuff. But it is beautifully done. And those Squad Leaders boards he has up (especially the BUA one that's in the first scenario) is outstanding.
BTW Rob, regarding the hexes and recreating the SQ boards and using those armies, that is a great idea. I have my copy of Squad Leader around here somewhere too (I think, I need to check my boxes). That's exactly the size of battle I want to use as a model, so I should just use one of the scenarios in there. I'd be blowing it up to a much larger scale however. I'll have to do the math with the hexes to see how they'd come out. The map board will be 6' x 4' or something like that, which is several times larger than the SQ maps.
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Post by suntzu on Jun 13, 2020 7:36:21 GMT
i thought you were going to design 3d printable hexes with the terrain already in place on the hexes , a little like the depot map-boards which are amazing i have the vassal module which gives access to all the available map boards , those i think are about 25mm across the flats so if your doing a 6 by 4 table that would be a huge setup for that scale so with 3m at say 40 mm per hex the size of your board would be about 30 by 45 hexes so perhaps a little smaller setup if you wanted some generic normandy the terrain i have designed some that can be printed out and stuck on mdf/plywood hex boards , my version 1 of them are a pay what you wand on wargames vault and my version 2 which i haven't got round to finishing that project are almost done but have been waylaid by other things www.drivethrurpg.com/product/98519/Hex-Terrain?manufacturers_id=4233oh just had another thought how about desiging some terrain that could be stuck down on precut hexes , a little like the ghq terrain maker but without the hassle of modelling with polystyrene so you would buy your hexes pre cut then print out your buildings , trees bushes and possibly roads and stick that down to the wooden hex...... heck might even do that for myself !!! |
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Post by 6mmfan on Jun 24, 2020 8:09:08 GMT
Lots of villages and towns as the distance between towns in Europe is quite small, also plenty of fields. I remember reading that the Germans did some analysis post WW2, when looking at tank designs and they found that the most (or the average) engagement distance was only 700m. Hills, forest and rivers and bocage (in Normandy) are other obvious terrain choices for Europe.
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Post by noshiningarmor on Jun 25, 2020 0:00:48 GMT
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