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Post by robh on Oct 22, 2018 12:59:48 GMT
3dHubs have changed their policy on allocating print requests to print services.
Previously small one man type print services could offer to take work via 3dHubs but now they are excluded (along with a lot of other services who did not want to sign up to the new working practices......mainly the vastly increased commissions taken by 3D themselves)
There is now a "specially selected" group of printers and you can only place work to them.
You also no longer get the option to search all services for the nearest, or cheapest, or by filament colour in the way you could previously.
Obviously users are being given the usual bollocks that this is all in their best interest........
Apparently if I want to commission printing now (living in the Canary Islands) I have to use a printer in France and pay the extra printing cost, plus the extra shipping, import duties and courier handling fees.
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Post by Zach on Oct 22, 2018 21:41:30 GMT
Ugh, that's awful news. I just read the announcement...
Some other company will step into the gap, I'm sure. There are too many tech savvy people with 3D printers who are a potential source of money for the market not to respond to this.
Good heads up though.
I'll look into this later on tonight; I saw that there are lists of 3D printers already being created on the 3D Hubs website. There are people who have invested in dozens of printers to work off 3D Hubs. 3D hubs was created by DIY enthusiasts, and the same people will very likely create another one.
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Post by Zach on Oct 23, 2018 3:19:03 GMT
I just went over to 3D Hubs and uploaded the 3 Rank, 30mm Danger Cat model. The want $68.00 for 50 copies, +S&H. That's 1000 X 30mm bases (there are 20 bases per model in Danger Cat). That's $0.068 per base, which is comparable to what it used to be, and still quite a bit cheaper than Shapeways. That's at 200 micron layers; it would definitely be more at 100 micron, but probably still pretty cheap compared to, say, a 20mm base with metal minis on it (or Irregular for that matter).
But, things might be different where you are. If you have a minute Rob, would you mind running the same model where you are? I'm curious to see the price difference.
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Post by robh on Oct 23, 2018 23:08:56 GMT
Will give it a go and let you know.
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Post by Bart of the North on Oct 25, 2018 5:38:20 GMT
Zach,
FWIW I ran the numbers for your example for 50, 3 Rank, 30mm Danger Cats. I’m up in Powell River British Columbia. The order would ship from Toronto for $20 Canada Post express and GST is included. The total was $98.76 CAD. Taking the tax out and converting to USD it came to $70.12USD
So it’s the same here up north.
Tim
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Post by robh on Oct 25, 2018 11:50:51 GMT
OK, I ran your test example.
3dHubs gave me a printing service in Barcelona (I am in the Canary Islands...a mere 1400 miles from Barcelona) and my cost is €148/$163 plus taxes plus shipping.
The printer I dealt with via 3dHubs before is about 40 miles from my house and his quote for the same is €45/$51 including taxes and shipping (or less if I drop in and pick it up for a cash purchase....he is a 5 minute walk from my FLGS)
I will still use him for printing but now go direct.
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Post by Zach on Oct 26, 2018 15:55:33 GMT
Hi Bart,
Thanks for checking that out for me! Good to hear that Canadians can still get some reasonably sane pricing.
RobH,
Sorry to hear that, but very glad to hear that you know your local printer well enough that you can switch to him. That is a very high price point.
But that said, I think that something like the old 3dHubs will be brought forward before very long. If you check out the 3D Hubs threads where people were discussing the change, it seems like enough people had enough skin in the game to where the market forces should step forward. It will be interesting to see what happens.
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Post by nikharwood on Jan 17, 2019 16:35:47 GMT
Ok - looking at 3DHubs now for me in UK - Danger Cat 20mm Master (that's the only Danger Cat file I've got - is that the same one you used for pricing?) x 50 copies is UK£37.95 for Standard ABS (again, sorry - is that the right material??) with £3.90 for Second Class recorded postage... which seems pretty good to me...
Have I got that right?
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Post by Zach on Jan 18, 2019 9:19:21 GMT
Hi Nik,
Did you use the files in the ZIP copy of the Library? I haven't updated in the ZIP in awhile, so there are a lot of files that are listed individually that aren't in the ZIP. That is probably what happened. Here's how to get all the other Danger Cat files.
If you go to the Gumroad site, scan down all of the files towards the bottom (the files in the same list as the ZIP), or do a search on the page for "danger." That will show you where the Danger Cat files are in the list. There are Master for each base size, and there are 10 or 20 model sprues. Sprues might be cheaper.
Your price seems a bit high to me, actually. What technology are you using? FDM or SLS? Are they charging you a set up price? I feel like you could get it done a lot cheaper. Definitely 39 pounds for 50 Danger Cats is too high.
EDIT: I just ran a quick test and I got 10 FDM prints of Danger Cat 30mm 3 Rank X 20 for $16, which is probably around ten pounds (I think?). That's 200 individual 30mm pieces. It would be more for a better tech, but even up-ing the detail level your price is high. Let me know if you figure out a better option. If not let me know and I can help you find a better way to do it.
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Post by suntzu on Jan 18, 2019 17:39:00 GMT
Hi Nik , you might want to think about getting your own 3D printer , mine cost me £200 and it has paid for itself 4 times over , in the beginning it was a steep learning curve but now I know I can throw Zach’s stuff at it without too muck effort
Rob
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Post by nikharwood on Jan 18, 2019 19:09:15 GMT
Thanks both - yep, Zach, I'd only downloaded the ZIP file so have corrected that now  (I'd already thought the cost of the library was awesome value, now I find it's even betterer (#notaword) I should say here that I know precisely *nothing* about 3D printing - I've read the (very helpful) beginner's guide on the site, but still can't quite manage to translate that into the gobbledigook of commercial printer websites  Rob - maybe you & I should talk: as I understand it, as long as we've both bought the library then I could pay you to print them for me |
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Post by suntzu on Jan 18, 2019 19:20:19 GMT
Sure nik , I’m only in exeter, could even do a FtoF as I don’t think I am that far from you
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Post by suntzu on Jan 18, 2019 22:09:25 GMT
Nik for your info if i were to self print 5 x angry cat 20mm bases with 2 flags ( each angry cat has 10 stands ) for a total of 50 bases it would use about 6.5M of 1.75 filament and take about 5 hours to print the cost of this is about 40p for the filament and maybe about 10p in electric. Obviously the initial cost of the printer is not factored in nor is the cost if the print fails and has to be reprinted but this gives you an idea
so you can now see why self printing your wargames stuff is so economical , i have just finished printing my early war soviets which if i bought from pendraken would be about £80
Rob
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Post by nikharwood on Jan 19, 2019 14:42:56 GMT
Sure nik , I’m only in exeter, could even do a FtoF as I don’t think I am that far from you Cool - I'm in West Somerset Would be good |
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Post by nikharwood on Jan 19, 2019 14:45:12 GMT
Nik for your info if i were to self print 5 x angry cat 20mm bases with 2 flags ( each angry cat has 10 stands ) for a total of 50 bases it would use about 6.5M of 1.75 filament and take about 5 hours to print the cost of this is about 40p for the filament and maybe about 10p in electric. Obviously the initial cost of the printer is not factored in nor is the cost if the print fails and has to be reprinted but this gives you an idea so you can now see why self printing your wargames stuff is so economical , i have just finished printing my early war soviets which if i bought from pendraken would be about £80 Rob Cool - thanks, Rob - that's a useful example! I guess part if my hesitation / fear is that I don't have the time or expertise to bugger about with a printer to try to get it to behave properly etc... and I suspect that it would take me a massive amount of time and energy to get it sorted - at the moment, I struggle to find time to paint / play as it is... |
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